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John 5:8-18 Jesus said to him, "Arise, take up your pallet, and walk." 9 And immediately the man became well, and took up his pallet and began to walk. Now it was the Sabbath on that day. Therefore the Jews were saying to him who was cured, "It is the Sabbath, and it is not permissible for you to carry your pallet." But he answered them, "He who made me well was the one who said to me, 'Take up your pallet and walk.'" They asked him, "Who is the man who said to you, 'Take up your pallet, and walk'?" But he who was healed did not know who it was; for Jesus had slipped away while there was a crowd in that place. Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, "Behold, you have become well; do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse may befall you." The man went away, and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well. And for this reason the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because He was doing these things on the Sabbath. But He answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. |
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The irrefutable argument stated: Jesus quite clearly taught that he was equal to God. This was the clear impression that Jesus listeners had of Jesus' teaching, and they wanted to stone him for it. |
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Comments: | It is important to note that Jesus breaking the sabbath was the first recorded controversy that John records in the single most important chapter in the gospel of John to prove the deity of Christ. The sabbath controversy allowed Jesus to give one of the most compete statements of his divine nature. No where does the Bible say that Jesus did not break the sabbath. |
Anti-Trinitarian rebuttals:
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Anti-Trinitarian rebuttal #1 |
"Another scripture offered as support for the Trinity is John 5:18. It says that the Jews (as at John 10:31-36) wanted to kill Jesus because "he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God." But who said that Jesus was making himself equal to God? Not Jesus. He defended himself against this false charge." (Jehovah's Witnesses, Watchtower, "Should You Believe in the Trinity?") |
Anti-Trinitarian rebuttal #1 refuted |
Jehovah's Witnesses know they are in deep trouble with this verse and resort to tricks. They imply that Jesus did not teach he was equal with God, but the Jews said this as a false charge because they misunderstood what Jesus was actually saying. Problem is that it is John the apostle who said Jesus was "calling God his Father, making himself out equal with God." This in fact is true! "So take careful note that John, as the narrator the Gospel of John, flat out states that Jesus was "calling God his Father, making himself out equal with God." |
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Anti-Trinitarian rebuttal #2 | The passage says that Jesus "not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God". Jesus obviously didn't break the Sabbath so neither was Jesus actually claiming to be equal with God. On both counts, the Jews MISUNDERSTOOD Jesus. |
Anti-Trinitarian rebuttal #2 refuted | Anti-Trinitarians really only have this one argument which states that Jesus did not break the Sabbath law. Well in fact Jesus did break the sabbath law, yet without sin. First we notice that Jesus never denies breaking the sabbath. Second we notice that every argument Jesus uses to defend himself justifies breaking the sabbath without sin. In fact he gives several examples of others who broke the sabbath without sin. This is a significant observation that cannot be overlooked and drives us to the unavoidable conclusion that Jesus knew he was breaking the sabbath, yet without sin. After all it was the Father who was the co-worker in the miracle. Look at the extensive notes that follow below for details. |
Anti-Trinitarian rebuttal #3: | It is argued that the Jews accused Jesus of merely breaking Jewish legal tradition in the 39 articles of the "Mishnah, Shabboth", not the actual law of the Sabbath. Jesus merely broke Pharisaic Jewish tradition, not the actual law of Moses. |
Anti-Trinitarian rebuttal #3 refuted: |
The Mishnah and Talmud of the tractate Shabbat list and discuss the 39 melakhot at length in an attempt to define and characterize each one of its corollaries and to distinguish that which is forbidden from that which is permitted. We agree that sometimes Jesus would be accused of breaking pharisaic laws of human origin. An example of this was when Jesus was accused of not washing his hands before he ate in Mk 7:1-13. Jesus accused them back of breaking God's law in order to keep their human tradition. However, all the examples of Jesus breaking the sabbath were found in the law of Moses: Jer 17:21-22 ; Neh 13:15-22. In these cases of Sabbath breaking, Jesus broke both the Law of Moses and the "Mishnah, Shabboth". In fact, most of the 39 articles of the "Mishnah, Shabboth" accurately represent the law of Moses without any dispute at all. And Jesus actions were specifically covered in both the Mishnah and the Law of Moses: Jer 17:21-22 'Thus says the Lord, "Take heed for yourselves, and do not carry any load on the sabbath day or bring anything in through the gates of Jerusalem. 22 "And you shall not bring a load out of your houses on the sabbath day nor do any work, but keep the sabbath day holy, as I commanded your forefathers.Neh 13:15-22 "In those days I saw in Judah some who were treading wine presses on the sabbath, and bringing in sacks of grain and loading them on donkeys, as well as wine, grapes, figs, and all kinds of loads, and they brought them into Jerusalem on the sabbath day. v15" |
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In our war against "situation ethics" where liberals argue that all moral laws "ethics" can be broken, given the right "situation", we have thrown the baby out with the bath water. There are no situations when moral laws can be broken without sin. The sabbath law (the fourth commandment) was a ceremonial law, and God himself gave many examples of when it can be broken right in the law of Moses. (priests in temple for example) It is important to note that we can consistently and powerfully argue that "situation moral ethics" is a false doctrine, while arguing that Jesus was able to break the sabbath without sin. We might call this a type of "situation ceremonial ethics". Moral laws never change and have always existed. Ceremonial laws change and have a beginning and ending point. In other words, while lying has always been sin, the sabbath did not exist before Ex 16 and was abolished at the cross. Therefore lying is always sin and it should not surprise us that there are occasions when the ceremonial law can be broken without sin. In fact this is exactly how Jesus argues to defend his breaking of the sabbath. The ceremonial law of circumcision of another example of a temporary law of Moses that we are permitted to break. (see Acts 15:1-4) Jehovah's Witnesses believe they can Lie for God! Although we completely disagree with this cultic view of morality, Jehovah's Witnesses are really unable to counter our argument on John 5:18 because the Watchtower actually teaches them that they can lie to "enemies". If the Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus, Rahab and Abraham could lie/deceive for the "greater good", how much more could they break a lower ceremonial law like the sabbath! So in fact, our argument, that Jesus broke the sabbath, without sin, is irrefutable by JW's! Jehovah's Witnesses teach and practice "situation ethics". We find it troubling and puzzling that Jehovah's Witnesses actually teach "situation moral ethics" but will argue that Jesus couldn't break the sabbath without sin. The watchtower magazine teaches that Jw's are permitted to lie to the public in order to hide the true of their false gospel from the enemies of their god. Typical of a Jehovah's Witnesses dismal comprehension of doctrinal consistency, Jehovah's Witnesses teach that they can lie and deceive without sin any time they need to hide their apostate doctrine from true Christians, but Jesus could not break the sabbath without sin, under any circumstances. Worse yet, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus could lie to his opponents without moral sin, but he would sin any time he broke the ceremonial sabbath law. If Jehovah's Witnesses were honest, they would at least admit that they really have no way of countering our argument that Jesus broke the sabbath without sin. But hey! We already know Jehovah's Witnesses are liars! What do you expect? Here are the quotes right out of the Watchtower magazine:
Excepted without any specific exception clause in the law?
How can we argue that the "law itself does not extend to the given case" if there are no specific exception clauses in the law of Moses? Jesus gave us the answer: "I desire mercy and not sacrifice" OR Jesus argued, "sometimes the law of God is set aside, when the humanitarian circumstances of mercy demand such". If you look closely at what Jesus argued, you will see that we have correctly represented HIS argument.Summary of evidence from six texts:
Mt 12:1-14; Mk 2:23-3:6; Luke 6:1-11; Luke 13:10-17; Luke 14:1-6; John 5:8-18; John 7:19-24; John 9:14-16
Jesus referred to these examples of breaking God's law without sin:
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Mt 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the Sabbath through the grainfields, and His disciples became hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, |
Mk 2:23-3:6 And it came about that He was passing through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples began to make their way along while picking the heads of grain. 24 And the Pharisees were saying to Him, | Lk 6:1 Now it came about that on a certain Sabbath He was passing through some grainfields; and His disciples were picking and eating the heads of grain, rubbing them in their hands. 2 But some of the Pharisees said, |
"Behold, Your disciples do what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath." | "See here, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?" | "Why do you do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?" |
3 But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did, when he became hungry, he and his companions; 4 how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those with him, but for the priests alone? | 25 And He *said to them, "Have you never read what David did when he was in need and became hungry, he and his companions: 26 how he entered the house of God in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the consecrated bread, which is not lawful for anyone to eat except the priests, and he gave it also to those who were with him?" | 3 And Jesus answering them said, "Have you not even read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him, 4 how he entered the house of God, and took and ate the consecrated bread which is not lawful for any to eat except the priests alone, and gave it to his companions?" |
5 "Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath, and are innocent? | - | - |
6 "But I say to you, that something greater than the temple is here. | - | - |
7 "But if you had known what this means, 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,' you would not have condemned the innocent. | - | - |
- | 27 And He was saying to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. | - |
8 "For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." | 28 "Consequently, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath." | 5 And He was saying to them, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." |
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9 And departing from there, He went into their synagogue. |
3:1 And He entered again into a synagogue; | 6 And it came about on another Sabbath, that He entered the synagogue and was teaching; |
10 And behold, there was a man with a withered hand. | and a man was there with a withered hand. | and there was a man there whose right hand was withered. |
And they questioned Him, saying, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"—in order that they might accuse Him. | 2 And they were watching Him to see if He would heal him on the Sabbath, in order that they might accuse Him. | 7 And the scribes and the Pharisees were watching Him closely, to see if He healed on the Sabbath, in order that they might find reason to accuse Him. |
- | 3 And He *said to the man with the withered hand, "Rise and come forward!" | 8 But He knew what they were thinking, and He said to the man with the withered hand, "Rise and come forward!" And he rose and came forward. |
11 And He said to them, "What man shall there be among you, who shall have one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will he not take hold of it, and lift it out? 12 "Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep! So then, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." | 4 And He *said to them, "Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do harm, to save a life or to kill?" | 9 And Jesus said to them, "I ask you, is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good, or to do harm, to save a life, or to destroy it?" |
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- | 5 And after looking around at them with anger, grieved at their hardness of heart, | 10 And after looking around at them all, |
13 Then He *said to the man, "Stretch out your hand!" And he stretched it out, and it was restored to normal, like the other. | He *said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored. | He said to him, "Stretch out your hand!" And he did so; and his hand was restored. |
14 But the Pharisees went out, and counseled together against Him, as to how they might destroy Him. | 6 And the Pharisees went out and immediately began taking counsel with the Herodians against Him, as to how they might destroy Him. | 11 But they themselves were filled with rage, and discussed together what they might do to Jesus. |
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Five Additional texts:
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Text of Luke 13:10-17 And He was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. 11 And behold, there was a woman who for eighteen years had had a sickness caused by a spirit; and she was bent double, and could not straighten up at all. 12 And when Jesus saw her, He called her over and said to her, "Woman, you are freed from your sickness." 13 And He laid His hands upon her; and immediately she was made erect again, and began glorifying God. 14 And the synagogue official, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, began saying to the multitude in response, "There are six days in which work should be done; therefore come during them and get healed, and not on the Sabbath day." 15 But the Lord answered him and said, "You hypocrites, does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the stall, and lead him away to water him? 16 "And this woman, a daughter of Abraham as she is, whom Satan has bound for eighteen long years, should she not have been released from this bond on the Sabbath day?" 17 And as He said this, all His opponents were being humiliated; and the entire multitude was rejoicing over all the glorious things being done by Him. |
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Text of Luke 14:1-6 And it came about when He went into the house of one of the leaders of the Pharisees on the Sabbath to eat bread, that they were watching Him closely. 2 And there, in front of Him was a certain man suffering from dropsy. 3 And Jesus answered and spoke to the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath, or not?" 4 But they kept silent. And He took hold of him, and healed him, and sent him away. 5 And He said to them, "Which one of you shall have a son or an ox fall into a well, and will not immediately pull him out on a Sabbath day?" 6 And they could make no reply to this. |
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Text of John 5:8-18 Jesus *said to him, "Arise, take up your pallet, and walk." 9 And immediately the man became well, and took up his pallet and began to walk. Now it was the Sabbath on that day. Therefore the Jews were saying to him who was cured, "It is the Sabbath, and it is not permissible for you to carry your pallet." But he answered them, "He who made me well was the one who said to me, 'Take up your pallet and walk.'" They asked him, "Who is the man who said to you, 'Take up your pallet, and walk'?" But he who was healed did not know who it was; for Jesus had slipped away while there was a crowd in that place. Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, "Behold, you have become well; do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse may befall you." The man went away, and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well. And for this reason the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because He was doing these things on the Sabbath. But He answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. |
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In John 5:8-18: What the man did was a clear violation to the sabbath law: Jer 17:21-22, Neh 13:15-22. Jesus justified carrying the pallet which broke the Sabbath law, by answering that both Jesus and the Father are working together, proving that such was an acceptable exception to the Sabbath law. If the same man carried the same pallet the next Sabbath, he would be stoned by Jesus as a Sabbath breaker! Jesus statement, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." is quite remarkable, since we would have expected Jesus to say, "My work does not break the sabbath" or "I am not working." But Jesus' reply implicates the Father in also breaking the sabbath along side of Jesus. Now we have both the Father and the Son breaking the sabbath. So anti-Trinitarians can have their pick: Either Jesus was making an outright claim of deity, or the Father and the Son were equally guilty of breaking the sabbath! (yet without sin)
· Jer 17:21-22 'Thus says the Lord, "Take heed for yourselves, and do not carry any load on the sabbath day or bring anything in through the gates of Jerusalem. 22 "And you shall not bring a load out of your houses on the sabbath day nor do any work, but keep the sabbath day holy, as I commanded your forefathers. · Neh 13:15-22 "In those days I saw in Judah some who were treading wine presses on the sabbath, and bringing in sacks of grain and loading them on donkeys, as well as wine, grapes, figs, and all kinds of loads, and they brought them into Jerusalem on the sabbath day. v15" On a side note, we cannot be sure if there is some connection by "anti-type" with the fact that the man had been stricken the same length of time as the Jews were smitten by God in the wilderness. Jesus did say to the man, "do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse may befall you." indicating that the man's sickness may have been God chastening him (Heb 12:4-13), just as God chastened the Jews in the wilderness for their sin. Deut 2:14, ""Now the time that it took for us to come from Kadesh-barnea, until we crossed over the brook Zered, was thirty-eight years; until all the generation of the men of war perished from within the camp, as the Lord had sworn to them." But 38 years, may be nothing more than interesting speculation.
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Text of John 7:19-24 "Did not Moses give you the Law, and yet none of you carries out the Law? Why do you seek to kill Me?" 20 The multitude answered, "You have a demon! Who seeks to kill You?" 21 Jesus answered and said to them, "I did one deed, and you all marvel. 22 "On this account Moses has given you circumcision (not because it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and on the Sabbath you circumcise a man. 23 "If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath that the Law of Moses may not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made an entire man well on the Sabbath? 24 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." |
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Text of John 9:14-16 Now it was a Sabbath on the day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes. 15 Again, therefore, the Pharisees also were asking him how he received his sight. And he said to them, "He applied clay to my eyes, and I washed, and I see." 16 Therefore some of the Pharisees were saying, "This man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath." But others were saying, "How can a man who is a sinner perform such signs?" And there was a division among them. |
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